Dear Jack and all,
This is Jinri using my personal email. Unfortunately the mail to the reflector from my corporate mail account is always bounced back.
On the last TOC call, we briefly touched the new project proposal for near-RT RIC (nRT RIC). With this email, I would like to cast a few opinions.
My major concern on the project proposal is as before, how to guarantee the alignment b/w the project and the WG3 in O-RAN Alliance. I understand this is a big topic and not just the efforts from the project alone. Jack and I, and the whole TOC should take the major responsibility on this. However, to me this does not mean that the project proposal could totally bypass this issue by mentioning nothing. The project itself should devise some mechanism/solution to address the concern (at least to some extent).
Nokia is also the vendor co-chair in WG3. It should be convenient for the two groups within the same company to discuss and come up with something to be reflected in the proposal.
Having said that, just do not get me wrong. As part of the community, I am eager to see the first project to be born. I am just a bit careful and want to ensure the health of the project, given the specific relationship b/w the SC and the WG under the same Alliance.
Comments are more than welcome.
Cheers,
Jinri
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Thoralf Czichy
hi,
> how to guarantee the alignment b/w the project and the WG3 in O-RAN Alliance.
I think the aspect that drives alignment the most is that the developers and architects working on
the near-RT RIC open-source implementation do work closely with the WG3 representatives from within
the same organization. For us at Nokia that's definitely the case and information flows in both
directions; also indirectly for WG3 contributions from other organizations.
To make sure that this continues to be the case and also to cover situations where something was missed
we could, for example, establish a once-a-month slot in the to-be-established near-RT RIC project
meetings, which are likely to happen weekly, in which someone (chair or co-chair?) from WG3 presents
the most recent agreed-on updates and open points under discussion. The Near-RT RIC software community
is encouraged to give feedback to the WG3 during such session. In the unlikely event that there are
conflicts we could escalate to the TOC (Technical Oversight Committee).
Cheers,
Thoralf
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Subject: [oran-sc] Discussion on the new nRT RIC project
This is Jinri using my personal email. Unfortunately the mail to the reflector from my corporate mail account is always bounced back.
On the last TOC call, we briefly touched the new project proposal for near-RT RIC (nRT RIC). With this email, I would like to cast a few opinions.
My major concern on the project proposal is as before, how to guarantee the alignment b/w the project and the WG3 in O-RAN Alliance. I understand this is a big topic
and not just the efforts from the project alone. Jack and I, and the whole TOC should take the major responsibility on this. However, to me this does not mean that the project proposal could totally bypass this issue by mentioning nothing. The project itself
should devise some mechanism/solution to address the concern (at least to some extent).
Nokia is also the vendor co-chair in WG3. It should be convenient for the two groups within the same company to discuss and come up with something to be reflected
in the proposal.
Having said that, just do not get me wrong. As part of the community, I am eager to see the first project to be born. I am just a bit careful and want to ensure the
health of the project, given the specific relationship b/w the SC and the WG under the same Alliance.
Comments are more than welcome.
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MURRAY, JOHN F (JOHN) <jfm@...>
Jinri
These are good points to discuss
The first thing I want to separate is creating the project from electing the PTL and what code is used.
It believe we should approval all A release projects tomorrow so we have a structure setup and can work to define what will be each
projects targets.
This will allow JIRA items to be entered and discussed.
Alignment of the software in all open source projects is continuous effort. Here in O-RAN, it is a little different but not completely.
In the end it is a balance between the producer and consumer. If not one uses it then it get iterated and changed or dropped. Nokia set a separate email supporting their view.
In this case of the RIC I feel we are in a good position, we of the WG co-chair company stepping up with significant resources and
seed code work. It is about the best case to start with. I feel the risks are more manageable them the DU or CU at the current time.
I do not believe we should delay. We have the resource being contributed, we need to move quickly or we will lose momentum, the software
will be iterated in future releases. O-RAN will hold the checks by testing and reviewing the software. We will contributors, developers, and support if we do not show we can deliver an “A” release.
But the biggest issue to me is that the majority of the RIC software is not critical to the O-RAN functionally specification. Yes,
there is key functionality, APIs (E2), and performance issues that need to be address but the bulk of the software will be the framework. Much of the RAN functionality will be implemented in the xAPPs on the framework. This should allow different contributors
to focus on key RAN functionality.
So I plan to purpose:
1.
Create the nearRT RIC project
2.
Create Other release A projects
3.
Vote on Nokia’s motion for PTL
4.
Discuss requirements and the EPICs
Project Name
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Project Key
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PTL
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Seed Code Repos
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Non-realtime RAN Intelligent Controller
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RICNRT
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|
|
|
RAN Intelligent Controller Applications
|
RICAPP
|
|
ric-app/admin
|
ric-app/reporter
|
|
RAN Intelligent Controller
|
RIC
|
|
com/asn1
|
com/golog
|
com/log
|
ric-plt/a1
|
ric-plt/appmgr
|
ric-plt/dbaas
|
ric-plt/dbaas/hiredis-vip
|
ric-plt/e2
|
ric-plt/e2mgr
|
ric-plt/lib/rmr
|
ric-plt/rtmgr
|
ric-plt/sdl
|
ric-plt/sdl/config
|
ric-plt/sdlgo
|
ric-plt/sdlpy
|
ric-plt/submgr
|
ric-plt/utils
|
ric-plt/xapp-frame
|
|
O-RAN Central Unit
|
OCU
|
|
(China Mobile integrated eNB contribution)
|
|
O-RAN Distributed Unit
|
ODU
|
|
(Intel L1-2 contribution)
|
(Radisys L3 contribution)
|
|
Operations Administration Management
|
OAM
|
|
portal/ric-dashboard
|
|
Simulation
|
SIM
|
|
(AT&T RAN side E2 simulator)
|
|
Infrastructure
|
INF
|
|
aal/lib
|
aal/logic
|
aal/mgmt
|
aal/virt
|
(Inspur infra monitoring contribution)
|
|
Integration and Testing
|
INT
|
|
it/dep
|
it/dev
|
it/test
|
|
Documentation
|
DOC
|
|
doc
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From: Jinri Huang [mailto:13910490429@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 12:55 AM
To: main@...; MURRAY, JOHN F (JOHN) <jfm@...>; Huang Jinri <huangjinri@...>; duanran@...; sunjunshuai@...; wangyingying <wangyingying@...>; sunqiyjy@...
Subject: Discussion on the new nRT RIC project
This is Jinri using my personal email. Unfortunately the mail to the reflector from my corporate mail account is always bounced back.
On the last TOC call, we briefly touched the new project proposal for near-RT RIC (nRT RIC). With this email, I would like to cast a few opinions.
My major concern on the project proposal is as before, how to guarantee the alignment b/w the project and the WG3 in O-RAN Alliance. I understand this is a big topic
and not just the efforts from the project alone. Jack and I, and the whole TOC should take the major responsibility on this. However, to me this does not mean that the project proposal could totally bypass this issue by mentioning nothing. The project itself
should devise some mechanism/solution to address the concern (at least to some extent).
Nokia is also the vendor co-chair in WG3. It should be convenient for the two groups within the same company to discuss and come up with something to be reflected
in the proposal.
Having said that, just do not get me wrong. As part of the community, I am eager to see the first project to be born. I am just a bit careful and want to ensure the
health of the project, given the specific relationship b/w the SC and the WG under the same Alliance.
Comments are more than welcome.
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+ Claudio & Paul (Nokia), WG3 co-chairs,
I tend to agree with such mechanism.
Need more comments from others, especially WG3 representatives/co-chairs.
In essence, we shall guarantee the involvement from both sides. The earlier the involvement, the better it is. Jinri
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At 2019-06-05 00:22:46, "Thoralf Czichy" <thoralf.czichy@...> wrote:
hi,
> how to guarantee the alignment b/w the project and the WG3 in O-RAN Alliance.
I think the aspect that drives alignment the most is that the developers and architects working on
the near-RT RIC open-source implementation do work closely with the WG3 representatives from within
the same organization. For us at Nokia that's definitely the case and information flows in both
directions; also indirectly for WG3 contributions from other organizations.
To make sure that this continues to be the case and also to cover situations where something was missed
we could, for example, establish a once-a-month slot in the to-be-established near-RT RIC project
meetings, which are likely to happen weekly, in which someone (chair or co-chair?) from WG3 presents
the most recent agreed-on updates and open points under discussion. The Near-RT RIC software community
is encouraged to give feedback to the WG3 during such session. In the unlikely event that there are
conflicts we could escalate to the TOC (Technical Oversight Committee).
Cheers,
Thoralf
From: main@... <main@...>
On Behalf Of Jinri Huang via Lists.O-Ran-Sc.Org
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2019 7:55 AM
To: main@...; jfm@...; Huang Jinri <huangjinri@...>; duanran@...; sunjunshuai@...; wangyingying <wangyingying@...>; sunqiyjy@...
Subject: [oran-sc] Discussion on the new nRT RIC project
This is Jinri using my personal email. Unfortunately the mail to the reflector from my corporate mail account is always bounced back.
On the last TOC call, we briefly touched the new project proposal for near-RT RIC (nRT RIC). With this email, I would like to cast a few opinions.
My major concern on the project proposal is as before, how to guarantee the alignment b/w the project and the WG3 in O-RAN Alliance. I understand this is a big topic
and not just the efforts from the project alone. Jack and I, and the whole TOC should take the major responsibility on this. However, to me this does not mean that the project proposal could totally bypass this issue by mentioning nothing. The project itself
should devise some mechanism/solution to address the concern (at least to some extent).
Nokia is also the vendor co-chair in WG3. It should be convenient for the two groups within the same company to discuss and come up with something to be reflected
in the proposal.
Having said that, just do not get me wrong. As part of the community, I am eager to see the first project to be born. I am just a bit careful and want to ensure the
health of the project, given the specific relationship b/w the SC and the WG under the same Alliance.
Comments are more than welcome.
|
|
Hi Jack,
I tend to agree with most of your points. The only one that I am not sure is the last point you raised.
I do hope that the majority of the work on nRT RIC in Release A is only lightly related with the current WG3 specification, i.e. more about framework. It would be perfect if it is the case. Yet to be careful, we need to get alignment & confirmation with WG3. I do hope it is the case. I fully understand the importance of speed for SW development in an open source community.
Let us discuss more in the call in a few hours.
BR,
Jinri
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At 2019-06-05 08:43:28, "MURRAY, JOHN F (JOHN)" <jfm@...> wrote:
Jinri
These are good points to discuss
The first thing I want to separate is creating the project from electing the PTL and what code is used.
It believe we should approval all A release projects tomorrow so we have a structure setup and can work to define what will be each
projects targets.
This will allow JIRA items to be entered and discussed.
Alignment of the software in all open source projects is continuous effort. Here in O-RAN, it is a little different but not completely.
In the end it is a balance between the producer and consumer. If not one uses it then it get iterated and changed or dropped. Nokia set a separate email supporting their view.
In this case of the RIC I feel we are in a good position, we of the WG co-chair company stepping up with significant resources and
seed code work. It is about the best case to start with. I feel the risks are more manageable them the DU or CU at the current time.
I do not believe we should delay. We have the resource being contributed, we need to move quickly or we will lose momentum, the software
will be iterated in future releases. O-RAN will hold the checks by testing and reviewing the software. We will contributors, developers, and support if we do not show we can deliver an “A” release.
But the biggest issue to me is that the majority of the RIC software is not critical to the O-RAN functionally specification. Yes,
there is key functionality, APIs (E2), and performance issues that need to be address but the bulk of the software will be the framework. Much of the RAN functionality will be implemented in the xAPPs on the framework. This should allow different contributors
to focus on key RAN functionality.
So I plan to purpose:
1.
Create the nearRT RIC project
2.
Create Other release A projects
3.
Vote on Nokia’s motion for PTL
4.
Discuss requirements and the EPICs
Project Name
|
Project Key
|
PTL
|
Seed Code Repos
|
Non-realtime RAN Intelligent Controller
|
RICNRT
|
|
|
|
RAN Intelligent Controller Applications
|
RICAPP
|
|
ric-app/admin
|
ric-app/reporter
|
|
RAN Intelligent Controller
|
RIC
|
|
com/asn1
|
com/golog
|
com/log
|
ric-plt/a1
|
ric-plt/appmgr
|
ric-plt/dbaas
|
ric-plt/dbaas/hiredis-vip
|
ric-plt/e2
|
ric-plt/e2mgr
|
ric-plt/lib/rmr
|
ric-plt/rtmgr
|
ric-plt/sdl
|
ric-plt/sdl/config
|
ric-plt/sdlgo
|
ric-plt/sdlpy
|
ric-plt/submgr
|
ric-plt/utils
|
ric-plt/xapp-frame
|
|
O-RAN Central Unit
|
OCU
|
|
(China Mobile integrated eNB contribution)
|
|
O-RAN Distributed Unit
|
ODU
|
|
(Intel L1-2 contribution)
|
(Radisys L3 contribution)
|
|
Operations Administration Management
|
OAM
|
|
portal/ric-dashboard
|
|
Simulation
|
SIM
|
|
(AT&T RAN side E2 simulator)
|
|
Infrastructure
|
INF
|
|
aal/lib
|
aal/logic
|
aal/mgmt
|
aal/virt
|
(Inspur infra monitoring contribution)
|
|
Integration and Testing
|
INT
|
|
it/dep
|
it/dev
|
it/test
|
|
Documentation
|
DOC
|
|
doc
|
|
From: Jinri Huang [mailto:13910490429@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 12:55 AM
To: main@...; MURRAY, JOHN F (JOHN) <jfm@...>; Huang Jinri <huangjinri@...>; duanran@...; sunjunshuai@...; wangyingying <wangyingying@...>; sunqiyjy@...
Subject: Discussion on the new nRT RIC project
This is Jinri using my personal email. Unfortunately the mail to the reflector from my corporate mail account is always bounced back.
On the last TOC call, we briefly touched the new project proposal for near-RT RIC (nRT RIC). With this email, I would like to cast a few opinions.
My major concern on the project proposal is as before, how to guarantee the alignment b/w the project and the WG3 in O-RAN Alliance. I understand this is a big topic
and not just the efforts from the project alone. Jack and I, and the whole TOC should take the major responsibility on this. However, to me this does not mean that the project proposal could totally bypass this issue by mentioning nothing. The project itself
should devise some mechanism/solution to address the concern (at least to some extent).
Nokia is also the vendor co-chair in WG3. It should be convenient for the two groups within the same company to discuss and come up with something to be reflected
in the proposal.
Having said that, just do not get me wrong. As part of the community, I am eager to see the first project to be born. I am just a bit careful and want to ensure the
health of the project, given the specific relationship b/w the SC and the WG under the same Alliance.
Comments are more than welcome.
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|

Jun Song
Hi all,
Before the public publication of the E2 principles and its E2AP specification, the alignment of RIC requirements between O-RAN WG3 and O-RAN OSC could be tricky. Because of the IPR issue. Most of the contributions submitted by the O-RAN member companies are O-RAN IPR protected. I don't know if it is even possible to paraphrase or quote the idea before its publication.
Cheers,
Jun
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--------- Original Message ---------
Sender : Jinri Huang <13910490429@...>
Date : 2019-06-05 18:36 (GMT+9)
Title : Re: [oran-sc] Discussion on the new nRT RIC project
Hi Jack,
I tend to agree with most of your points. The only one that I am not sure is the last point you raised.
I do hope that the majority of the work on nRT RIC in Release A is only lightly related with the current WG3 specification, i.e. more about framework. It would be perfect if it is the case. Yet to be careful, we need to get alignment & confirmation with WG3. I do hope it is the case. I fully understand the importance of speed for SW development in an open source community.
Let us discuss more in the call in a few hours.
BR,
Jinri
At 2019-06-05 08:43:28, "MURRAY, JOHN F (JOHN)" <jfm@...> wrote:
Jinri
These are good points to discuss
The first thing I want to separate is creating the project from electing the PTL and what code is used.
It believe we should approval all A release projects tomorrow so we have a structure setup and can work to define what will be each projects targets.
This will allow JIRA items to be entered and discussed.
Alignment of the software in all open source projects is continuous effort. Here in O-RAN, it is a little different but not completely. In the end it is a balance between the producer and consumer. If not one uses it then it get iterated and changed or dropped. Nokia set a separate email supporting their view.
In this case of the RIC I feel we are in a good position, we of the WG co-chair company stepping up with significant resources and seed code work. It is about the best case to start with. I feel the risks are more manageable them the DU or CU at the current time.
I do not believe we should delay. We have the resource being contributed, we need to move quickly or we will lose momentum, the software will be iterated in future releases. O-RAN will hold the checks by testing and reviewing the software. We will contributors, developers, and support if we do not show we can deliver an “A” release.
But the biggest issue to me is that the majority of the RIC software is not critical to the O-RAN functionally specification. Yes, there is key functionality, APIs (E2), and performance issues that need to be address but the bulk of the software will be the framework. Much of the RAN functionality will be implemented in the xAPPs on the framework. This should allow different contributors to focus on key RAN functionality.
So I plan to purpose:
1. Create the nearRT RIC project
2. Create Other release A projects
3. Vote on Nokia’s motion for PTL
4. Discuss requirements and the EPICs
Project Name |
Project Key |
PTL |
Seed Code Repos |
Non-realtime RAN Intelligent Controller |
RICNRT |
|
|
|
RAN Intelligent Controller Applications |
RICAPP |
|
ric-app/admin |
ric-app/reporter |
|
RAN Intelligent Controller |
RIC |
|
com/asn1 |
com/golog |
com/log |
ric-plt/a1 |
ric-plt/appmgr |
ric-plt/dbaas |
ric-plt/dbaas/hiredis-vip |
ric-plt/e2 |
ric-plt/e2mgr |
ric-plt/lib/rmr |
ric-plt/rtmgr |
ric-plt/sdl |
ric-plt/sdl/config |
ric-plt/sdlgo |
ric-plt/sdlpy |
ric-plt/submgr |
ric-plt/utils |
ric-plt/xapp-frame |
|
O-RAN Central Unit |
OCU |
|
(China Mobile integrated eNB contribution) |
|
O-RAN Distributed Unit |
ODU |
|
(Intel L1-2 contribution) |
(Radisys L3 contribution) |
|
Operations Administration Management |
OAM |
|
portal/ric-dashboard |
|
Simulation |
SIM |
|
(AT&T RAN side E2 simulator) |
|
Infrastructure |
INF |
|
aal/lib |
aal/logic |
aal/mgmt |
aal/virt |
(Inspur infra monitoring contribution) |
|
Integration and Testing |
INT |
|
it/dep |
it/dev |
it/test |
|
Documentation |
DOC |
|
doc |
|
From: Jinri Huang [mailto:13910490429@...] Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 12:55 AM To: main@...; MURRAY, JOHN F (JOHN) <jfm@...>; Huang Jinri <huangjinri@...>; duanran@...; sunjunshuai@...; wangyingying <wangyingying@...>; sunqiyjy@... Subject: Discussion on the new nRT RIC project
This is Jinri using my personal email. Unfortunately the mail to the reflector from my corporate mail account is always bounced back.
On the last TOC call, we briefly touched the new project proposal for near-RT RIC (nRT RIC). With this email, I would like to cast a few opinions.
My major concern on the project proposal is as before, how to guarantee the alignment b/w the project and the WG3 in O-RAN Alliance. I understand this is a big topic and not just the efforts from the project alone. Jack and I, and the whole TOC should take the major responsibility on this. However, to me this does not mean that the project proposal could totally bypass this issue by mentioning nothing. The project itself should devise some mechanism/solution to address the concern (at least to some extent).
Nokia is also the vendor co-chair in WG3. It should be convenient for the two groups within the same company to discuss and come up with something to be reflected in the proposal.
Having said that, just do not get me wrong. As part of the community, I am eager to see the first project to be born. I am just a bit careful and want to ensure the health of the project, given the specific relationship b/w the SC and the WG under the same Alliance.
Comments are more than welcome.
For the hand that rocks the cradle Is the hand that rules the world. William Wallace 
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